OpenTTD talk:Village Pump

From OpenTTD
Jump to: navigation, search

Contents

Latest discussion

Archive discussions

Green background

What's up with the green background? Jupix 19:58, 20 March 2007 (CET)

Good question, what's even more strange to me is that I see it only at home not when I'm at work --Sleepie 00:06, 21 March 2007 (CET)
Not everyone will like it but I use the Cologne Blue skin. Set it in your Preferences. xiong 10:57, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

PDF version?

Anyone else think that with the next release, there should be a PDF of this wiki bundled? I'm assuming that somewhere it's possible to get hold of the HTML behind the wiki pages and it's easy under certain programs to convert HTML to PDF. This wiki could then serve as an HOWTO, an online manual and a printable manual in one. Of course, PDF is just me because I use Windows a lot, obviously even HTML+images will do but can it be bundled with the next release so that people have a pretty manual with all the screenshots and explanations that people are putting so much work into making? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ledow (talkcontribs).

While not possible to convert the whole Wiki (as it's constantly changing) it'd be nice to have a PDF containing the "basic manual" - major features of the game explained. A good idea would be to time its release with (oj shortly after) a new 0.X version, so as to keep up with major changes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arael (talkcontribs).
The compilation of a PDF manual would be a sizeable project in itself - and not linked to the creation of a Wiki for any particular reason. I suggest that if someone has the drive to create a standalone manual for OpenTTD that would be an enormously cool contribution to the community, but that it's creation would neccesarily be seperate from the development of this wiki, and can't follow along the same path of collaborative editing as the Wiki does. --Foo 19:33, 25 Dec 2005 (CET)
Converting from HTML (in this case PHP) to PDF is possible, using for example the fpdf.org php->pdf Class. However this is a matter for Wiki itself, and not for OpenTTD. W. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.105.184.197 (talkcontribs).
Php is a server side language that outputs (x)HTML (in most cases). I think that is easy to create a PDF document with php, but may cosume some bandwidth. --Rafagd 15:33, 23 May 2007 (CEST)
Something like stitching wiki pages together into a manual? Check out Apache Forrest. Not sure if it already pulls content from mediawiki, but we used it to stitch different documentation sources together into one document. Musicbrainz follows a similar concept with their online documentation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 145.253.2.23 (talkcontribs).
STOP! THIS HAS ALL BEEN DONE BEFORE!!! See the main page of UnrealWiki(http://wiki.beyondunreal.com/wiki/) for more info. Specificaly, read the bit that says:
"Never use an offline reader to download the entire Unreal Wiki. If you do, we will ban you instantly and permanently. Offline readers put an insane stress on the web server because they follow each and every of the processing-intensive maintenance links on the Wiki that are used seldomly by real people. Don't say you haven't been warned.
We're providing the entire Wiki content as a convenient single download on Offline Wiki though. It's smaller, zipped and downloads faster than what any offline reader could give you. Of course you can also save individual pages using your web browser without problems."
The above quote is strait from the main page of the wiki. James.Denholm 02:46, 25 October 2007 (CEST)
The issue there is users individually downloading the entire wiki using a mirroring tool that follows all the links from the client's connection. If many users do this, it is indeed a strain on bandwidth. However, using a server side tool to periodically generate a PDF, which is then made available for download as "the manual" (not generated on the fly at every user request) would not significantly impact performance. Mintra 11:27, 25 October 2007 (CEST)
How would a PDF be linked around itself like the wiki is? Probably best to leave it as a HTML. Also, with a HTML no-one would need PDF-reading software, like Adobe Reader. And the HTML files could be copied strait off the server (but perhaps with the liks changed so the link to the offline version instead of the online version).James.Denholm 00:20, 29 October 2007 (CET)

Just a note on automatic retrieval: Take a look at this. It should take care of most websuckers - there are ways and means of getting things such as wget to ignore this, but hopefully many people that know how to do so will also know how to stop their sucker from misbehaving. 90.203.45.244 22:21, 19 November 2007 (CET)

Purpose of the Wiki?

I'm considering writing a few articles concerning general TTD issues - Tactics/Strategy mostly.
It's subjective material for a start and traditionally that can be seen as innapropriate on a Wiki. I would argue that it's only perceived that way because of Wikipedia's influence on society's perception of a Wiki, and that Wikis are not inherently unsuited to subjective works.
I digress. The second issue is whether articles not necessarily relating directly to OpenTTD Development or basic operation are appropriate here. That's a question for the Wiki sysops I think, rather than an open debate. I'd prefer an answer on this before writing the articles, but that seems an unreasonable expectation. I will begin the articles when I get time and if at a later date they are deemed innapropriate for the Wiki removal is of course pretty easy on this system. --Foo 20:29, 25 Dec 2005 (CET)

The OTTD Wiki isn't just a virtual manual or a feature list. Of course, use it to write TT oriented articles. Just don't flame anybody and don't say 'my junction is better than all others'. If you write good articles and/or more people will write articles, new section on the main page may be created to link to your main article page. Sysop --MeusH 23:13, 25 Dec 2005 (CET)
I do believe that there should be a strategy guide in the wiki. I have searched for one, didn't find one and I am thus in the process of writing my own. If it is agreed that a strategy can be added to the wiki, I would be pleased to add my findings to the wiki. If we agree that there should not be any strategy in the guide, I will add it to my personal page.  :-) --BentoBoy 18:30, 5 Oct 2008 (CET)

Protecting the wiki

Due to huge amount of spam bots, here are some suggestions to stop the deadly spam flood.

  • Reject edit if "bad words" are found

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SpamBlacklist_extension

  • Bad Behaviour mod to seek spambots

http://www.ioerror.us/software/bad-behavior/

  • Image with a text one has to retype - may be sometimes annoying for registered users, but I think there is a version which turns the authorisation off for aleady registered users

http://www.gudlyf.com/index.php?p=376

Scenario climate changing

I want to know one thing... Is there possible to change the climate in scenario editor? And if so, how? --84.42.133.240 16:19, 2 June 2006 (CEST)

Just choose the button for the climate you want before you enter the scenario editor. ~ Ryalla 18:45, 2 June 2006 (CEST)
I mean, when having some scenario, like the Scotland or Africa and middle east convert in other climate even in the editor --84.42.133.240 00:11, 3 June 2006 (CEST)
Certainly cold enough in Scotland to be sub-artic in OpenTTD! Bruce98 01:26, 3 June 2006 (CEST)
Other problem: How to turn off that stupid limitation 2 airports per city? I saw no switch that can allow it. --84.42.133.240 12:43, 15 September 2006 (CEST)


Just bribe the local authority (requires patch) or get a cheat patch (requires patch) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.32.5.83 (talkcontribs).

Just a small nitpick..

How come there's a thick padding between a paragraph's end and the next headline in this wiki? Looks strange... Jupix 16:02, 21 January 2007 (CET)

MediaWiki version

What MediaWiki version runs there? --Jklamo 15:32, 29 January 2007 (CET)

According to Special:Version, it is 1.9.1. Bruce98 18:57, 29 January 2007 (CET)

I finally poked MiHaMiX into updating it yesterday. Before that, it was 1.6.2 Born Acorn 19:16, 29 January 2007 (CET)

Broken wiki links

The colons ( : ) in Manual:Main Page and Development:Main Page tell the wiki server that the pages are part of Main Page, not their own article. Maybe move the articles to Manual Main Page and Development Main Page? I could do most of it, except for fixing Main Page, as it is locked. Zojj 00:28, 25 April 2007 (CEST)

The reason for the first two items you mentioned are iirc because this wiki has no talk namespaces for the Manual and Development namespaces. Sleepie 01:16, 25 April 2007 (CEST)
Yup =) I noticed that just now, see below. Zojj 01:26, 25 April 2007 (CEST)

Namespaces?

I noticed the namespaces here are not very well organized. This is the root of the link problem that I described above.

Here is what I think we should do now while the wiki isn't too big!

Namespace Contents My suggestion
(Main) Most articles, with talk -
Manual 2 pages, no talk Move all articles to (Main) and delete namespace.
Development 4 pages, no talk Move all articles to (Main) and delete namespace.

or move all relevant articles here and add Development_Talk namespace,

OpenTTD Website related articles, with talk Rename to Wiki
Web Translator2 3 articles, talk page incorrect Move all articles to (Main) and delete namespace.

or Move all articles to development and delete namespace.

Translation 1 article (Russian), no talk. Incorrect namespace type. Fix namespace (not a talk page). Add Translation_Talk namespace, move all non-english articles here
Scenario Scenarios, no talk Add Scenario_Talk namespace

If a sysop can fix the namespaces, I'll be happy to fix the articles. Zojj 01:24, 25 April 2007 (CEST)

You might also want to look after the categories, they are a mess right now.. --84.56.144.139 12:58, 10 June 2007 (CEST)
How about user space? Is this edit acceptable? -- Jokes Free4Me 12:48, 29 June 2007 (CEST)
This topic was about just the messed up namespaces, which are server settings that we can't fix. The server setup for category: and user: is fine as far as I can tell. To answer your question, no, that page is in the wrong namespace. Zojj 17:29, 29 June 2007 (CEST)

I moved/copied all articles from Manual:, Development:, and WebTranslator2: to (Main). Those namespaces can be deleted. Zojj 23:18, 29 June 2007 (CEST)

Contact MiHaMiX (on IRC, channel #openttd.wt2) - he has the access to the server, which is required to do namespaces stuff. MeusH 23:26, 30 June 2007 (CEST)
I think the Development namespace should stay, with all the appropriate pages moved into it (which I'm happy to gradually do). We don't really want them getting mixed up in the manual, since that's sitting in the main namespace. It would need Development talk though. Mintra 16:51, 19 November 2007 (CET)

IP bans

Where would be a good place to discuss IP bans? 62.231.243.137 doesn't need to be here. I think we are just supposed to add a {{vandal}} tag to their talk page right now. Zojj 21:42, 5 July 2007 (CEST)

Manual vs Tutorials

Someone should clean up Template:Tutorial/ Template:Table_of_contents. Either split them really, or make it one big box (think that is a bad idea) --84.56.145.172 12:27, 28 October 2007 (CET)

Not sure what you meant by split them really, but the page pointed to by Tutorial on the Table of Contents now includes the Tutorial template, not the Table of Contents which should make the distinction better. Mintra 20:01, 30 October 2007 (CET)
e.g. Orders and Landscaping is linked from the tutorial-box but they don't contain the tutorial-box. --84.56.167.239 16:31, 2 November 2007 (CET)
Well, I un-tutorial'd Orders a while ago as an unrelated thing so have removed this from the tutorials menu. Of course that means there is a need for an orders tutorial now, but I don't intend to write tutorial material, just reference stuff so will leave that to someone else. Mintra 17:03, 2 November 2007 (CET)

New Main Page

You may or may not be aware that an improved main page has been under development recently. This is ready for publication. However there is still time for interested people to read it over and make any improvements. Please do this or post any comments before the end of the week, when I (or whoever started the improvement project, hopefully) will recommend to a sysop that it's copied across. Cheers, Mintra 19:56, 30 October 2007 (CET)

If there are 2 or more towns per station hu gets it ?

I mean if you loading cargo or passasers its no problemo

But if you unloading in a station with 2 towns and a steelmill. Do the people go in to town hus name his given to the station or they get a endless slavery for the ovens of steelmill.

Assuming I understand the question correctly, an answer: when passengers are dropped off at a station, no industry/town actually "gets" them - they make up their own mind where they want to go (so to speak). Unlike other types of cargo, the quantity of passengers delivered to a station is not tracked because they don't get processed into another (quantified) commodity, so where they end up doesn't matter. Mintra 01:48, 8 March 2008 (CET)

New features

Basic CSS support

Instead of having us to reinvent the wheel each time we make any number of basic edits like making a table, we can use preset CSS styles like: {| class="wikitable" that's it, no backgrounds, no borders no nothing (unless you want to) it simplifies the work flow by removing unnecessary clutter from the edit window, provides a unified standard look to make it look more professional etc --mor 10:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Collapsible tables

Please add the Collapsible tables witch are featured in Wikipedia and wikimedia, see MediaWiki:Common.js part about 'Collapsible tables' for the required code.--mor 03:51, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Editing resources

i would like to suggest this Editing feature it will make my life and surely the life other new editors easier. i am not sure how exactly such features are added but i did find this mediawiki extensions list that might be helpful in case this feature will be accepted. --mor 11:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

SVG support

Can we get SVG vector graphics support, like in other Wikipedias?

Bulk upload? - Answered (not really...)

i have around 100 tiny images is there a way to bulk upload them, to avoid manual click fest and the unnecessary recent page spam ? --mor 04:54, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

For the record, here's a link. Jupix 12:42, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
thanks for the link, i was hoping for something else but after exploring a bit from there, i see there is nothing more so i guess that hitting the back button will work as well :) --mor 14:15, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
So, no bulk upload then? This is not very encouraging, to say the least. I've just finished screenshoting and preparing the FIRS cargo tables (34), and I'm not going to upload them one by one, that's for sure.--OliTTD 14:42, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Subpages

Can this feature be turned on properly? At the moment pseudo-subpages are used (with a / in the title) but it would be nice to have the automatic parent page links show. Mintra 12:35, 29 November 2007 (CET)

this is a good idea, any thought on this? --mor 11:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Doesn't work with how languages are implemented now, with the language id (or what you call it) at the end. FooBar 19:53, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Sortable Tables

I think this is a feature highly needed for comparative tables of vehicles:[1]Manuestaire 10:43, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

The "wikitable sortable" class is bundled with most recent versions of MediaWiki, and this is not so old, but may need an update. Nemo 00:07, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Interwikis

I see many wikipedia: interwikis around, so this must have worked sometime in the past, but it doesn't now. Please restore at least the default interwiki map, or at least add a few common interwikis such as Wikipedia:, maybe with the Interwiki extension if you don't want to edit the map directly. Nemo 00:07, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Multilanguage support

  • What about implementing multilanguage support? I know many people in Germany who like OpenTTD, and most of them are age 40+ and don't speak English very well.
  • Many countries have peoples, how don't speak English. Then we begin to the translation to.

I would like to translate the wiki to German in my spare time.

Any comments? ;) --Clemi 12:08, 21 July 2008 (CEST)

I was about to ask the same question. Would it be ok to translate the wiki? -- 217.80.3.214 17:42, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
there shouldn't be any problem, thou im not sure exactly how it works with name spaces and the language bar.
i would love to know the answer tho this aswell--mor 11:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
  • how about at least some guidelines/help within the tech limits? --13:44, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
I propose: http://wiki.openttd.org/Internationalization#Other_colaborations --Luigix

New Main Page

One administrator should update the Main Page with New Main Page test.--Luigix 09:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Colaborators/translators of this wiki?

There are already 194 pages in other languages! But they miss other major languages ... Can you point more people (native of other languages) and translated, for example, a page per week (or less)?? For translators team: Category:Translators --Luigix 09:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

License?

Hey; what license or usage terms do you publish your textual content under? I'd like to copy and modify your Manual of Style to use on my own wiki. Is that alright? --Digiku 00:27, 29 October 2007 (CET)

Doesn't seem to be an official licence as far as I can tell (which hopefully implies public domain but I wouldn't be too sure). I'd be happy for any of my contributions to be treated as public domain but I can't speak for other people. Probably the best thing to do is go ahead and copy it but include a citation - then it isn't plagiarism at least. You can always take it down if someone objects. Mintra 19:59, 30 October 2007 (CET)
Cool, I'll make a note of that. Thanks! --Digiku 17:38, 1 November 2007 (CET)
As far as a I know, if an author does not state a licence for his/her original works, he/she keeps the full copyright on it (For example, if you read a text in any web page, and nothing is defined about the copyright, you generally can not copy that text)
This is a big mess in a wiki system. --HariSeldon 14:22, 29 June 2008 (CEST)
i understand that by contributing to the wiki you agree to PGL Free Documentation License which was in use on Wikipedia as well --mor 10:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

No Moderator Feedback

Its disappointing to see no feedback from Admin/Moderator/Sysop/Whatever its called here, on the community discussion page.--10:07, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Personal tools